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  • Salary advice from AI low

    From Rob Mccart@1:2320/105 to MIKE POWELL on Thursday, July 31, 2025 09:12:12
    Negotiating your salary is a difficult experience no matter who you are, so
    >naturally, people are sometimes turning to ChatGPT and other AI chatbots for
    >advice about how to get the best deal possible. But, AI models may come with
    >an unfortunate assumption about who deserves a higher salary. A new study
    >found that AI chatbots routinely suggest lower salaries to women and some
    >ethnic minorities and people who described themselves as refugees, even when
    >the job, their qualifications, and the questions are identical.

    Scientists at the Technical University of Applied Sciences
    >Wrzburg-Schweinfurt conducted the study, discovering the unsettling results
    >and the deeper flaw in AI they represent. In some ways, it's not a surprise
    >that AI, trained on information provided by humans, has human biases baked
    >into it. But that doesn't make it okay, or something to ignore.

    The problem here is likely that the AI system bases it's ideas on
    the current average (norm) and those salaries are common..

    That information is really an estimate of what the hiring company
    should have to pay based on that information rather than it is
    suggesting the person looking for the job ask for more than the
    average for a similar employee reducing their chances of being hired.

    This in no way suggests I think anyone should be paid differently
    based on anything but job skills.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to ROB MCCART on Thursday, July 31, 2025 10:41:33
    The problem here is likely that the AI system bases it's ideas on
    the current average (norm) and those salaries are common..

    Indeed. That is a good point!

    This in no way suggests I think anyone should be paid differently
    based on anything but job skills.

    I didn't believe you meant that, either. ;)

    Mike


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  • From Rob Mccart@1:2320/105 to MIKE POWELL on Saturday, August 02, 2025 18:11:51
    The problem here is likely that the AI system bases it's ideas on
    >> the current average (norm) and those salaries are common..

    Indeed. That is a good point!

    This in no way suggests I think anyone should be paid differently
    >> based on anything but job skills.

    I didn't believe you meant that, either. ;)

    I'm glad you thought that.. B)

    But I would be the great enemy of most 'modern' thinkers because
    I also think everyone should be paid what they are worth whereas
    many these days think everyone should be paid the same because
    it's not their fault that they are lazy, dumb or slow...
    (To be crude about it.)

    These are the same 'thinkers' that don't think anyone should ever
    fail a grade in school because, again, it's not fair to penalize
    them for not being as smart as others, ignoring the possibility
    that they are just lazy.. B)

    I guess I got that attitude because almost every job I ever had,
    even in Union places, I was often paid more than others around
    me who had worked there longer because I could do / produce more
    in the same working hours..

    At least in cases like that you know you're doing well since
    they are willing to go against the Union to pay you extra..
    It's not all in your head.. B)

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to ROB MCCART on Saturday, August 02, 2025 19:09:39
    But I would be the great enemy of most 'modern' thinkers because
    I also think everyone should be paid what they are worth whereas
    many these days think everyone should be paid the same because
    it's not their fault that they are lazy, dumb or slow...
    (To be crude about it.)

    As would I!

    These are the same 'thinkers' that don't think anyone should ever
    fail a grade in school because, again, it's not fair to penalize
    them for not being as smart as others, ignoring the possibility
    that they are just lazy.. B)

    This whole line of thinking is part of what has gotten us into the messes
    we are in now. It is "equity" thinking... that everyone's outcomes should
    be equal... rather than "equality" thinking... we should all have equal opportunity to reach our own potential, which should not be expected to be
    the same between *individuals*.

    So we are both great enemies of modern "thinkers." ;)

    Mike


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