hi,
question for you:
i send netmail to say, retronet and when i look at the logs is is being sent via say, nixnet.
is that normal?

here's the log info:
Route (Dean Lodge@80:774/12 to Areafix@80:774/34 via 86/200:1
Export netmail #21 to 86/200/1@nixnet
:
:
:
Execute Res: 0 Cmd zip -qj9 "/mystic/echomail/out/nixnet.056/023e000b.we3"

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hi,
question for you:
i send netmail to say, retronet and when i look at the logs is is being sent via say, nixnet.
is that normal?

here's the log info:
Route (Dean Lodge@80:774/12 to Areafix@80:774/34 via 86/200:1
Export netmail #21 to 86/200/1@nixnet
:
:
:
Execute Res: 0 Cmd zip -qj9 "/mystic/echomail/out/nixnet.056/023e000b.we3"

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On 19 Aug 2026, pweck said the following...

hi,
question for you:
i send netmail to say, retronet and when i look at the logs is is being sent via say, nixnet.
is that normal?

here's the log info:
Route (Dean Lodge@80:774/12 to Areafix@80:774/34 via 86/200:1

^^^^^^^^
This line leads me to suspect that you have something in your retronet config wrong. Check to see what your routing is set to. It should be to your retronet hub. I suspect you've got the nixnet hub there.

Let me know what you find out. I'm glad to help. BTW, I've never been able
to get a mystic netmail to go direct. It always goes routed.

Export netmail #21 to 86/200/1@nixnet pw> :
:
:
Execute Res: 0 Cmd zip -qj9
"/mystic/echomail/out/nixnet.056/023e000b.we3"

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Hey Ogg!

On Wed, Aug 19 2026 21:17:02 -0500, you wrote:

Let me know what you find out. I'm glad to help. BTW, I've never
been able to get a mystic netmail to go direct. It always goes
routed.

Even with a proper nodelist imported and Configuration > Message Base Settings > Netmail Direct set to yes?

Regards,
Nick

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Let me know what you find out. I'm glad to help. BTW, I've never
been able to get a mystic netmail to go direct. It always goes
routed.

Even with a proper nodelist imported and Configuration > Message Base

Netmail Direct set to yes?

Settings

Regards,
Nick

Unfortunately yes. It's been a multi year search trying to figure out what's going on. I really just gave up. I'm open to correcting it however. Any other suggestions?

Scott

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Route (Dean Lodge@80:774/12 to Areafix@80:774/34 via 86/200:1

^^^^^^^^
This line leads me to suspect that you have something in your retronet config wrong. Check to see what your routing is set to. It should be
to your retronet hub. I suspect you've got the nixnet hub there.

it's setup correctly. looking at the logs, i think it only routes via xxx, if i areafix from the Networking --> Echomail Nodes screen

og> Let me know what
you find out. I'm glad to help. BTW, I've never been og> able to get a mystic netmail to go direct. It always goes routed. Thanks. if it's doing that for all i wont worry about it

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Let me know what you find out. I'm glad to help. BTW, I've never
been able to get a mystic netmail to go direct. It always goes
routed.

Even with a proper nodelist imported and Configuration > Message Base

Netmail Direct set to yes?

it is set to YES for direct. but i looked at the logs and it seems to do it if i areafix within the Networking>>>Echomail Nodes screen. doing areafix from messages instead does route directly. must be a bug in the former.

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Let me know what you find out. I'm glad to help. BTW, I've never been able to get a mystic netmail to go direct. It always goes routed.

Even with a proper nodelist imported and Configuration > Message Base

Netmail Direct set to yes?

Settings

Regards,
Nick

Unfortunately yes. It's been a multi year search trying to figure out what's going on. I really just gave up. I'm open to correcting it however. Any other suggestions?

well if it's getting to and from then for now i'll live with it! :)

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Hey ogg!

On Wed, 19 Aug 2026 21:57:03, you wrote:

Unfortunately yes. It's been a multi year search trying to figure out what's
going on. I really just gave up. I'm open to correcting it however. Any other
suggestions?

Kinda makes me wonder if you have to actually setup a direct link in Echomail Nodes for the specific link you want to send direct, which would kind of defeat the whole purpose. Other than that, it would use the catch all link that you route everything wild carded through.

I also wonder, if you disabled that catch all wildcard link temporarily, and with those settings I mentioned, if it would do it then?

Regards,
Nick

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Hey pweck!

On Wed, 19 Aug 2026 22:22:55, you wrote:

it is set to YES for direct. but i looked at the logs and it seems to do
it if i areafix within the Networking>>>Echomail Nodes screen. doing
areafix from messages instead does route directly. must be a bug in the former.

Yeah, I suppose it could be. Hopefully, some day we can get an answer to that. :/

Regards,
Nick

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Unfortunately yes. It's been a multi year search trying to figure out what's
going on. I really just gave up. I'm open to correcting it however. An
other
suggestions?

Kinda makes me wonder if you have to actually setup a direct link in Echomail Nodes for the specific link you want to send direct, which
would kind of defeat the whole purpose. Other than that, it would use
the catch all link that you route everything wild carded through.

I also wonder, if you disabled that catch all wildcard link temporarily, and with those settings I mentioned, if it would do it then?

I've played with the settings til I got so frustrated that I gave up. I did send you a netmail with my hub setting to direct instead of crash. Let's see if you get it.

Scott

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Let me know what you find out. I'm glad to help. BTW, I've never been able to get a mystic netmail to go direct. It always goes routed.

Even with a proper nodelist imported and Configuration > Message Base

Netmail Direct set to yes?

Settings

Regards,
Nick

Unfortunately yes. It's been a multi year search trying to figure out what's going on. I really just gave up. I'm open to correcting it however. Any other suggestions?

Is the netmail getting to it's intended destination? If so, then I fail to see a problem.
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Yes, it's ultimately getting to it's intended recipient (via forwarding) and I have accepted that. Every once in a while, the issue creeps up

Forwarding is the way I've always been used to how netmail worked. I started off with WWIVnet, then Vnet and they both routed netmail just like echomail. I'm fairly new to the ftn type networks, so anything other than routing and forwarding is foreign to me.
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On 23 Aug 2026, Geri Atricks said the following...

Let me know what you find out. I'm glad to help. BTW, I've ne
been able to get a mystic netmail to go direct. It always goes
routed.

Even with a proper nodelist imported and Configuration > Message

Netmail Direct set to yes?

Settings

Regards,
Nick

Unfortunately yes. It's been a multi year search trying to figure out
what's going on. I really just gave up. I'm open to correcting it however. Any other suggestions?

Is the netmail getting to it's intended destination? If so, then I fail
to see a problem.
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I once had a fido hub that wouldn't forward any mail nor provide echomail feeds. He insisted I use "direct" mail. That led to me finding a new fidonet hub. Also, when originally trying to satisfy this requirement, I found out Mystic wouldn't/couldn't do direct netmail. With the help of a couple of sysops, I finally was convinced that I couldn't do it without jumping through a lot of hoops.

Yes, it's ultimately getting to it's intended recipient (via forwarding) and I have accepted that. Every once in a while, the issue creeps up and I will make an attempt to figure it out. At this point, it may be a losing battle.

Scott

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Geri Atricks wrote to ogg <=-

Yes, it's ultimately getting to it's intended recipient (via forwarding) and I have accepted that. Every once in a while, the issue creeps up

Forwarding is the way I've always been used to how netmail worked. I started off with WWIVnet, then Vnet and they both routed netmail just
like echomail. I'm fairly new to the ftn type networks, so anything
other than routing and forwarding is foreign to me.

I look at it like this: The routing part seems a carryover from the
dialup days when long distance calls cost money. With todays connection methods (other than dialup), why route anything. All that really does
is drastically increase the odds that something will break along the way
and the message won't get delivered. Why not just send it direct? I
can see no good reason to *EVER* route a netmail. Echomail is a
completely different story, of course.



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ogg wrote to Geri Atricks <=-

I once had a fido hub that wouldn't forward any mail nor provide
echomail feeds. He insisted I use "direct" mail. That led to me
finding a new fidonet hub.

Sounds like someone thinking like they're still using old-school
dialup. And thinking it's 1991 when Fido was big enough to merit having
a separate echomail feed.

With the internet, yes, you could crashmail *everything*, but part of
the fun of running this tech is making it all work, including message
routing.

(I just had a flashback to an internet "consultant" back in 1994 that
was trying to convince us that SMTP mail was routed from mail server to
mail server, using a traceroute as evidence. Claiming that your mail
was sitting on a hard disk on every hop between you and the MX.
unfortunately, he was a friend of the CEO and we were stuck with him
until he got bored and moved on.)






Also, when originally trying to satisfy this

requirement, I found out Mystic wouldn't/couldn't do direct netmail.
With the help of a couple of sysops, I finally was convinced that I couldn't do it without jumping through a lot of hoops.

Yes, it's ultimately getting to it's intended recipient (via
forwarding) and I have accepted that. Every once in a while, the issue creeps up and I will make an attempt to figure it out. At this point,
it may be a losing battle.

Scott

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Gamgee wrote to Geri Atricks <=-

I look at it like this: The routing part seems a carryover from the dialup days when long distance calls cost money. With todays
connection methods (other than dialup), why route anything.

I think of the days when my hub was a local toll call - I'd route
everything, so an email would go from me to my hub overnight. From
there, it'd go to the NEC on day 2, a star hub after that, then a local
NEC, local hub and to the destination. So, around 4-5 days. Echomail
took about the same time.

A few years later, I had an ISDN line to my office and internet access.
Set up an FTP hub and was able to poll a couple of times a day. It was
a game changer, unfortunately by that time Fidonet was in decline.


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