• Re: ..the End of Targeted

    From esc@VERT/MONTEREY to MRO on Thu Feb 23 06:25:00 2023
    Where did you dig up this chestnut?

    i'm pretty sure it's been out there for quite some time.

    Care to find some proof? All I found was salacious articles, none of which appear to come from any trusted news source.

    oh come on now. facebook being moral? that's bullshit.
    they did all this stuff because they cared?

    Yes, they did. Who do you think works there? The people Facebook hires are those smart college kids that want to "make the world a better place". Their entire pitch and mission with recruiting is connecting people. There aren't these evil boogeymen people writing lines of code like you seem to think.

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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANT to esc on Thu Feb 23 12:38:04 2023
    Re: Re: ..the End of Targeted
    By: esc to Arelor on Wed Feb 22 2023 06:56 pm

    abusive corporative behavior that is not very different from Facebook s here, but somehow Facebook gets a free pass? They cannot have it both ways. If governments should interfere to prevent abusive prices for phone subscriptions (which are opt-in) then you cannot defend Facebook is a legit company being victimized by the evil governments of doom.

    Interesting perspective, but a phone is basically a critical need in this da ee to disagree I suppose.


    Phone isn't critical for a whole lot of people, and online presence is critical for a number of job positions.

    If I were a positive rights proponent, it would be inconsistent for me to defend I am entitled to a phone line because I use it to talk to friends but I am not entitled to online pressence (which I use to make a living).

    If I belonged to the Das Kapital brigade my next step would be to equate online presence to phone ussage. Keep in mind Internet access is classified as a human right around here. Since online presence would be a right then the government, aka The People, has the duty to ensure online presence providers act in the best interests of the common folks, and if they don't outright seize them.

    Let's be clear about this. Facebooks business model is shady as fuck. It consits of offering free services to people who does not read the contract and knows not what the hell they are signing in for. The tech people here knows but most people has no fucking clue. When it happens with a finantial institution selling finantial products to grandpas who don't know better, people screams bloody murder, but why would Facebook get a pass? Hell, it is so broken that even free market capitalists would think twice before declaring Facebook to be clean wheat.

    So yeah, Facebook has the right to operate their current business model, no matter I dislike it -that is what freedom lovers do: recognize other people's right to do things we dislike- but it is so borderline evil that rightwingers should be wery and left-wingers should put it in their hatelist right now.


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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANT to esc on Thu Feb 23 12:39:12 2023
    Re: Re: ..the End of Targeted
    By: esc to Arelor on Wed Feb 22 2023 06:56 pm

    want Sex Pistols to belong to (and I quote) Mickey Fucking Mouse.

    I mean...he's like, one person, who is pretty fringe on the left. Can't expe

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    Maybe, but if you adopt an anti-corporation lifestyle and then jump to defend corporate interests you are not very consistent.

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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANT to esc on Thu Feb 23 12:42:54 2023
    Re: Re: ..the End of Targeted
    By: esc to MRO on Wed Feb 22 2023 07:06 pm

    If you disagree with fact checkers, or think they're up to no good, maybe en

    I don't know about US so-called fact-checkers, but Spanish ones I know of has some shady ties with government and corporate power. I would not think they
    are more trustworthy than your regular government or corporate sponsored newsoutlet - because if you pull the string, they happen to be the same people, or the manager is the wife of some politician or newsmaster.

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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANT to esc on Thu Feb 23 13:30:20 2023
    Re: Re: ..the End of Targeted
    By: esc to MRO on Thu Feb 23 2023 12:25 am

    Yes, they did. Who do you think works there? The people Facebook hires are t
    writing lines of code like you seem to think.


    export BERNY_SANDERS_MODE="True"

    Facebooks biggest succeess, it seems, is to exist as a conventional corporation while making everybody believe they are something else.

    Facebook is a company traded in public exchanges with an absurd price-to-book ratio. What that means is they tricked a whole lot of people into buying shares of their company for a price way higher than the company is worth. Facebook is a heavily overcapitalized company owned by capitalist powers who will be forced to squeeze it dry in order to see returns for their overinvestments.

    I don't care how good the employees are. The power Capital has is they can take good people and abuse them and enslave them and make them work torwards the Capital's goals instead of the worker's. Facebook is no difference at a fundamental level. It is owned by the Capital and workers' output is taken and used as the Capital sees fit.

    Facebook may protray itself as a worker and humanist friendly organization, but when they market themselves as a Good Entity they are just acting as somebody who takes a turd and wraps it in colorful papers, trying it with a nice gift ribbon. They are trying to make something awful look great by selling it as a great thing, but at a fundamental level they are just a turd.

    The saddest part is when the workers themselves get to see the colorful gift-wrap and the ribbon and rush to attack anybody who denounces it is just a well marketed turd. Indeed, Facebook's Capitalist masters have managed to get the enslaved class to defend their Capitalist interests. It is the slave defending Blackrock and Vanguard as they squeeze them dry. It is disgusting.


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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Arelor on Thu Feb 23 12:35:00 2023
    Arelor wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    TOTP is theoretically safer than SMS verification, but for practical purposes, it is more of a headache. I think the average granny is more likely to set SMS auth than TOPT, and is she sets TOTP, she is more
    likely to lose her acess tokens and suffer.

    Granny is NEVER going to set up TOTP. I think that's what Elon is
    banking on.




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  • From Lmorchard@VERT/DECAFBAD to esc on Fri Feb 24 01:05:04 2023
    Re: Re: ..the End of Targeted
    By: esc to MRO on Thu Feb 23 2023 12:25 am

    Yes, they did. Who do you think works there? The people Facebook hires are those smart college kids that want to "make the world a better place". Their entire pitch and mission with recruiting is connecting people. There aren't these evil boogeymen people writing lines of code like you seem to think.

    FWIW, I know folks who work at Facebook. That is the pitch, yes, and why most of them joined up. But most of them aren't in charge. A lot of them are *trying* to do good work there. But, the money comes from connecting people so that they stick around to generate classifying data & provide attention worth renting out to advertisers.

    Not "evil boogeymen people" so much as folks paid very well to implement the company's objectives while trying to good where they can. A lot of folks I know who've stayed there think that it's a good trade to provide a communication service for "free" rather than having it only be available to folks who can afford to pay. I see their point, but don't personally think the surveilance ends up being a good trade.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to esc on Fri Feb 24 00:42:18 2023
    Re: Re: ..the End of Targeted
    By: esc to MRO on Thu Feb 23 2023 12:23 am

    people DO need protection from facebook though. or facebook should just be transparent about what it does. yes, they arent forcing you to use
    it, but it's mainstream and they have been pulling bullshit evil shit for years. ---

    Can't say I agree but respect your opinion nonetheless.

    look up facebook and what they've done for years. look at their lawsuits.

    they've used user information for illegal purposes and have been convicted as such. they still spy on their users with the mobile app. have a conversation and then you see the ads for the shit you talked about popping up on facebook.

    they've also manipulated information on covid, the covid vaccine and they've tried to manipulate the presidential election. those are all facts.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to esc on Fri Feb 24 00:51:34 2023
    Re: Re: ..the End of Targeted
    By: esc to MRO on Thu Feb 23 2023 12:25 am

    i'm pretty sure it's been out there for quite some time.

    Care to find some proof? All I found was salacious articles, none of which appear to come from any trusted news source.

    https://www.covidmoneytracker.org/

    they had programs for education on covid and they partnered with twitter and facebook.
    you won't find something out right as 'here's 50million dollars to ban people that say this', and they didn't need to. once they got the money they knew what to do.


    Yes, they did. Who do you think works there? The people Facebook hires are those smart college kids that want to "make the world a better place". Their entire pitch and mission with recruiting is connecting people. There aren't these evil boogeymen people writing lines of code like you seem to think.

    you're just believing the hype.
    look up how many times facebook/meta has been sued from multiple countries and what for.

    facebook is ran by an amoral person who want's to take over everything.
    their workers are mostly white, mostly male. recently their technical employees have had a huge steer towards asian males, when before it was mostly white like everything else.

    60% of fb employees are outside of the usa.

    i guess the avg age is 28. are these people hipsters who want to change the world and make it a better place? i dout it.

    if they were really cool college kids who play foosball in their breakroom and want the world to be better, don't you think they'd hire some more fucking women atleast?
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  • From Ogg@VERT/CAPCITY2 to Arelor on Fri Feb 24 01:21:00 2023
    Hello Arelor!

    ** On Thursday 23.02.23 - 07:30, Arelor wrote to esc:

    I don't care how good the employees are. The power Capital has is they can take good people and abuse them and enslave them and make them work torwards the Capital's goals instead of the worker's. Facebook is no difference at a fundamental level. It is owned by the Capital and workers' output is taken and used as the Capital sees fit.

    Sounds like what China is doing to its workers.


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  • From esc@VERT/MONTEREY to MRO on Fri Feb 24 03:30:00 2023
    they've also manipulated information on covid, the covid vaccine and they've tried to manipulate the presidential election. those are all facts. ---

    False. Anyway I'm done arguing, it's not going to do any good, not like I'll convince you of anything even if I'm the most persuasive person alive.

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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANT to Ogg on Fri Feb 24 18:52:48 2023
    Re: ..the End of Targeted
    By: Ogg to Arelor on Thu Feb 23 2023 07:21 pm

    Hello Arelor!

    ** On Thursday 23.02.23 - 07:30, Arelor wrote to esc:

    I don't care how good the employees are. The power Capital has is they c take good people and abuse them and enslave them and make them work torwards the Capital's goals instead of the worker's. Facebook is no difference at a fundamental level. It is owned by the Capital and worker output is taken and used as the Capital sees fit.

    Sounds like what China is doing to its workers.


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    That must be because China is Capitalist. If it was Communist instead, people in China would be free and they would all smoke weed and live happy ever after in a world full of free stuff.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to esc on Fri Feb 24 19:12:44 2023
    Re: Re: ..the End of Targeted
    By: esc to MRO on Thu Feb 23 2023 09:30 pm

    they've also manipulated information on covid, the covid vaccine and they've tried to manipulate the presidential election. those are all facts. ---

    False. Anyway I'm done arguing, it's not going to do any good, not like I'll convince you of anything even if I'm the most persuasive person alive.

    i'm not arguing.

    but i'm not also going to waste a lot of time here dumping links. people often attack the links if they arent cnn or whatever.

    I'm not a liar and i've demonstrated that i have an excellent memory with things i read.

    I have no horse in this race, so why would i lie.

    It's a fact that facebook has been taken to trial in the past and they have lost several times. It's because of how they treat and misuse their user's information.

    they obviously have been manipulating their userbase in every aspect. they want them to follow a certain mindset and they want them to follow facebook's agenda which in the end are about generating profit.

    facebook is an evil company. twitter was an evil company.
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  • From esc@VERT/MONTEREY to MRO on Sat Feb 25 00:21:00 2023
    i'm not arguing.
    <proceeds to type out a bunch of arguments>

    :P

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to esc on Sat Feb 25 04:35:56 2023
    Re: Re: ..the End of Targeted
    By: esc to MRO on Fri Feb 24 2023 06:21 pm

    i'm not arguing.
    <proceeds to type out a bunch of arguments>

    :P

    you're just seeing it as an argument.

    answer me this: since facebook is full of young people who
    want to make the world such a great place, why don't they hire women?

    why is it mostly white males?
    those are facts.
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  • From Brokenmind@VERT/TIABBS to esc on Sat Feb 25 04:13:20 2023
    Re: Re: ..the End of Targeted
    By: esc to MRO on Thu Feb 23 2023 12:25 am

    they did all this stuff because they cared?
    Yes, they did. Who do you think works there? The people Facebook hires are those smart college kids that want to "make the world a better place". Their entire pitch and mission with recruiting is connecting people. There aren't these evil boogeymen people writing lines of code like you seem to think.

    Yes smart indoctrinated college kids i'm sure.... I'm not going to say they are all like this but for some of the stuff Facebook , Twitter , Youtube and other Social Media Platforms have been doing....
    all indoctrinated but i'm sure a lot of them are.

    BrokenMind

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to MRO on Sat Feb 25 04:20:13 2023
    Re: Re: ..the End of Targeted
    By: MRO to esc on Fri Feb 24 2023 10:35 pm

    answer me this: since facebook is full of young people who
    want to make the world such a great place, why don't they hire women?

    why is it mostly white males?
    those are facts.

    I'm not too familiar with Facebook's hiring policies, but I've been working as a software developer since 2003, and the whole industry is fairly male-dominated (at least, in the US). I doubt Facebook just doesn't hire women; it just seems that there are few women in the US who decide to go into tech jobs. I did work for one very large (multi-national) tech company and they did have women developers and engineers working there - but many of them were from other countries (mainly India or China).

    Nightfox

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  • From esc@VERT/MONTEREY to MRO on Sat Feb 25 05:07:00 2023
    you're just seeing it as an argument.

    And you continue arguing ;) I'm not going to argue. This is silly.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Brokenmind on Sat Feb 25 07:32:11 2023
    Re: Re: ..the End of Targeted
    By: Brokenmind to esc on Fri Feb 24 2023 10:13 pm


    Yes smart indoctrinated college kids i'm sure.... I'm not going to say they are all like this but for some of the stuff Facebook , Twitter , Youtube and other Social Media Platforms have been doing....
    all indoctrinated but i'm sure a lot of them are.

    well are 28 year olds 'college kids'? I wasn't a kid when i was 28.
    granted, some 28 yr olds nowadays still live with the parents which is pathetic.

    i dont think the bottom workers of these social media companies drive what it does and how it does it. it's those few at the top.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Nightfox on Sat Feb 25 07:35:28 2023
    Re: Re: ..the End of Targeted
    By: Nightfox to MRO on Fri Feb 24 2023 10:20 pm

    I'm not too familiar with Facebook's hiring policies, but I've been working as a software developer since 2003, and the whole industry is fairly male-dominated (at least, in the US). I doubt Facebook just doesn't hire women; it just seems that there are few women in the US who decide to go into tech jobs. I did work for one very large (multi-national) tech company and they did have women developers and engineers working there - but many of them were from other countries (mainly India or China).


    Not everyone at facebook or any social media company HAS to be a white developer.

    fb's demographics have been embarassing since the beginning.

    the proof is in the pudding. and they have been using the same receipe for a very long time. women can do these jobs, it's sexist to think they cant. it's sexist to ignore the demographics that fb has adhered to.

    But that's just one of my examples. fb is an evil company that wants everyone and everything's information. information is power. they also then want to take over the internet and then much more.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to esc on Sat Feb 25 07:35:51 2023
    Re: Re: ..the End of Targeted
    By: esc to MRO on Fri Feb 24 2023 11:07 pm

    you're just seeing it as an argument.

    And you continue arguing ;) I'm not going to argue. This is silly.

    i'm not trying to argue either.
    i'm just pointing out facts.

    You're a good person and you're looking at these things using your good person compass. actions speak louder than words. since the beginning facebook and other social media has been evil. they don't mean well. they don't want to protect people. they want to take over. you take over by influencing how people think and what they see.

    fucking myspace tom and his cronies just wanted to show us fucking ads. i miss those days.

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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANT to MRO on Sat Feb 25 13:15:00 2023
    MRO wrote to Nightfox <=-

    I'm not too familiar with Facebook's hiring policies, but I've been working as a software developer since 2003, and the whole industry is fairly male-dominated (at least, in the US). I doubt Facebook just doesn't hire women; it just seems that there are few women in the US who decide to go into tech jobs. I did work for one very large (multi-national) tech company and they did have women developers and engineers working there - but many of them were from other countries (mainly India or China).

    Not everyone at facebook or any social media company HAS to be a
    white developer.

    fb's demographics have been embarassing since the beginning.

    the proof is in the pudding. and they have been using the same
    receipe for a very long time. women can do these jobs, it's
    sexist to think they cant. it's sexist to ignore the
    demographics that fb has adhered to.

    Maybe you'd have better luck convincing anyone of anything, if you
    actually backed up your claims. What is the source of your "facts" that
    you keep braying about? Where do you see these demographics? Show some
    facts that indicate FB doesn't hire women or non-whites.

    Until then, you're just blowing smoke, and it's not working.



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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANT to MRO on Sat Feb 25 13:17:00 2023
    MRO wrote to esc <=-

    you're just seeing it as an argument.

    And you continue arguing ;) I'm not going to argue. This is silly.

    i'm not trying to argue either.
    i'm just pointing out facts.

    Actually, you haven't pointed out a SINGLE "fact". You keep making
    claims, spewing your *opinion*, harping on your conspiracy theories,
    but..... Let's see some links or some other evidence of your "facts".

    References/citations talk; bullshit walks.



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  • From Ogg@VERT/CAPCITY2 to esc on Fri Mar 3 04:55:00 2023
    Hello esc!

    ** On Monday 20.02.23 - 14:57, esc wrote to Ogg:

    This Privacy Ruling Against Facebook and Instagram Could
    Spell the End of Targeted Ads

    Man, this is actually something I'm not a huge fan of.
    Sure, targeted ads and feeling as though you're being spied
    on is lame. Totally. I get it. But facebook is an opt-in
    platform. It's not a public utility like a library, it's a
    business. I don't see how any government can force a
    business to give away access to a commercial platform for
    free.

    One of the problems is that they use your activity data even
    when you are not using FB. I've logged into FB for a few
    minutes, check for some messages and then leave. But when I'd
    visit another website, "targetted ads" based on what I was
    reading on FB appear as ads on that other website! So,
    clearly, FB is distributing my user activity/content info to
    other parties.

    The same ads would follow me when I visit other news sites, for
    example.


    So what's any company that relies on ad revenue to give
    away services supposed to do? Charge for accounts? I guess?

    I can live without FB, so I don't care what they do. I just
    drop by to see if there are any new postings from friends. I
    don't contribute content myself.

    Maybe they could provide the option to turn OFF the
    presentation of ads if I don't want to see them, meanwhile,
    they could still collect and analyse my activity on FB.

    But I don't like the way the ads keep following me from site to
    site.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Ogg on Fri Mar 3 13:11:12 2023
    Re: ..the End of Targeted
    By: Ogg to esc on Thu Mar 02 2023 10:55 pm

    drop by to see if there are any new postings from friends. I
    don't contribute content myself.

    Maybe they could provide the option to turn OFF the
    presentation of ads if I don't want to see them, meanwhile,
    they could still collect and analyse my activity on FB.

    But I don't like the way the ads keep following me from site to
    site.

    dude i was at work at a meeting for a long time and i was complaining about my legs and knees hurting. fucking amazon was showing me some full leg heat and massager thing when i opened it

    https://i.imgur.com/GE8tuNs.png

    the air is clear and the walls have ears!
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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Ogg on Fri Mar 3 12:19:00 2023
    Ogg wrote to esc <=-

    One of the problems is that they use your activity data even
    when you are not using FB. I've logged into FB for a few
    minutes, check for some messages and then leave. But when I'd
    visit another website, "targetted ads" based on what I was
    reading on FB appear as ads on that other website! So,
    clearly, FB is distributing my user activity/content info to
    other parties.

    I've seen people talking about a containerized browser for Facebook,
    don't know if incognito mode would work. The mere fact that people need
    to create a workaround to your company's privacy overreaches is a
    serious issue that reflects the fact that you are their product, not
    their customer.




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  • From Lmorchard@VERT/DECAFBAD to poindexter FORTRAN on Sat Mar 4 08:10:36 2023
    Re: Re: ..the End of Targeted
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Ogg on Fri Mar 03 2023 06:19 am

    I've seen people talking about a containerized browser for Facebook,
    don't know if incognito mode would work. The mere fact that people need
    to create a workaround to your company's privacy overreaches is a
    serious issue that reflects the fact that you are their product, not
    their customer.

    There is the "Facebook Container" add-on for Firefox:

    https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/facebook-container/

    That does a good job of trying to isolate everything Facebook-related, including cookies and the trackers in embedded share buttons on other sites.

    They do have kind of an insidious octopus of a service spread all around. Sounds like tinfoil hat territory to accurately describe what they do.

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Lmorchard on Sat Mar 4 14:01:00 2023
    Lmorchard wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    They do have kind of an insidious octopus of a service spread all
    around. Sounds like tinfoil hat territory to accurately describe what
    they do.

    I especially bristled at them using Facebook for auth -- making it even
    harder for people to disconnect from Facebook when other sites rely on
    FB to authenticate you.

    Spotify, at one point early on, required Facebook auth. They changed
    after a while to allow other 3rd party auth like Google as well as email.




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