From Eastside75@1:123/4040 to All on Sat Aug 9 16:30:25 2025
Having some issues with fido out of the blue sending test.
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09 Aug 25 16:30:25 Eastside75 (1:123/4040) wrote:
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Having some issues with fido out of the blue sending test.
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From Matthew Asham@1:153/149.42 to All on Sun Sep 7 12:46:57 2025
Noticed a response I sent on Saturday didn't make its way out - hopefully not shadow banned by the gods of upstream!
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From RBB Test Robot@2:221/360 to Matthew Asham on Sun Sep 7 23:03:04 2025
07 Sep 25 12:46:57 Matthew Asham (1:153/149.42) wrote:
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Noticed a response I sent on Saturday didn't make its way out - hopefully not shadow banned by the gods of upstream!
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From awehttam@2:460/256 to RBB Test Robot on Mon Sep 8 00:19:29 2025
07 Sep 25 12:46:57 Matthew Asham (1:153/149.42) wrote:
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Noticed a response I sent on Saturday didn't make its way out - hopefully not shadow banned by the gods of upstream!
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Thanks. Weird
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From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Matthew Asham on Mon Sep 8 13:08:57 2025
On 07 Sep 25 12:46:57, Matthew Asham said the following to All:
Noticed a response I sent on Saturday didn't make its way out - hopefully n shadow banned by the gods of upstream!
What does that mean, "shadow banned"
Nick
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From Matthew Asham@1:153/149.42 to Nick Andre on Mon Sep 8 12:42:43 2025
Noticed a response I sent on Saturday didn't make its way out - hopefully shadow banned by the gods of upstream!
What does that mean, "shadow banned"
It means silently discarded. Like if someone sets up a filter to silently discard posts from a certain sender.
When I noticed a response hadn't made its way out I had to quip about it.
Matthew
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From August Abolins@1:153/149.42 to Matthew Asham on Mon Sep 8 13:36:48 2025
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From: Matthew Asham
Date: 2025-09-08 12:42:43.323958
Subject: Re: test
What does that mean, "shadow banned"
It means silently discarded. Like if someone sets up a filter to silently discard posts from a certain sender.
I suppose in fidonet parlance that would be a twit filter?
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From awehttam@2:460/256 to August Abolins on Tue Sep 9 00:07:07 2025
From: Matthew Asham
Date: 2025-09-08 12:42:43.323958
Subject: Re: test
What does that mean, "shadow banned"
It means silently discarded. Like if someone sets up a filter to silently discard posts from a certain sender.
I suppose in fidonet parlance that would be a twit filter?
Exactly ?
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From Daryl Stout@1:19/33 to Matthew Asham on Mon Sep 8 10:06:02 2025
Matthew,
Noticed a response I sent on Saturday didn't make its way out -
hopefully not shadow banned by the gods of upstream!
The networks were hungry, and needed some nourishment. <G>
Daryl
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testing
It made it to Arkansas.
Daryl
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From RBB Test Robot@2:221/360 to Carlos Navarro on Sun Nov 23 18:27:36 2025
23 Nov 25 17:17:05 Carlos Navarro (2:341/234.5885) wrote:
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Hi,
Playing with SBBS...
Carlos
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From Sean Rima@2:263/1 to Carlos Navarro on Sun Nov 23 16:29:53 2025
This is what I wanted to check. Messages exported from my SBBS point have two PATH kludge lines, one of them empty (and inserted before the SEEN+BYs). :-m
Tommi's robot did not display it, so I guess some tosser removed it.
This is what I wanted to check. Messages exported from my SBBS point
have two PATH kludge lines, one of them empty (and inserted before the SEEN+BYs). :-m
Tommi's robot did not display it, so I guess some tosser removed it.
It is not in the msgbase here, so I think my hpt removed it.
'Tommi
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From Nick Boel@1:154/700 to Carlos Navarro on Sun Nov 23 12:50:17 2025
This is what I wanted to check. Messages exported from my SBBS point
have two PATH kludge lines, one of them empty (and inserted before
the SEEN+BYs). :-m
Tommi's robot did not display it, so I guess some tosser removed it.
Here is a reply via Synchronet's NNTP service. Maybe someone can let me know if there is two PATH kludge lines here, too.
If not, it could be specific to Golded accessing the Synchronet message bases (full support is nowhere near, and Golded uses very old SMB libraries, if I'm not mistaken).
Regards,
Nick
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From Nick Boel@1:154/700 to Tommi Koivula on Sun Nov 23 12:55:12 2025
Hello Tommi,
On Sun Nov 23 2025 08:15 pm UTC+2:00, you wrote:
It is not in the msgbase here, so I think my hpt removed it.
If you could, please check my last message and this one. This one is directly from the BBS itself.
Regards,
Nick
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From Carlos Navarro@2:341/234 to All on Sun Nov 23 20:10:36 2025
23 Nov 2025 18:19, I wrote to Sean Rima:
This is what I wanted to check. Messages exported from my SBBS point
have two PATH kludge lines, one of them empty (and inserted before the SEEN+BYs). :-m
I correct myself. My SBBS point does not export 2 PATH lines - only one (and empty one)
Sorry.
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23 Nov 25 20:10:36 Carlos Navarro (2:341/234) wrote:
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23 Nov 2025 18:19, I wrote to Sean Rima:
This is what I wanted to check. Messages exported from my SBBS point
have two PATH kludge lines, one of them empty (and inserted before the SEEN+BYs). :-m
I correct myself. My SBBS point does not export 2 PATH lines - only one (and empty one)
Sorry.
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From Tommi Koivula@2:221/1.1 to Nick Boel on Sun Nov 23 21:13:10 2025
Hi Nick.
23 Nov 25 12:55:12, you wrote to me:
It is not in the msgbase here, so I think my hpt removed it.
If you could, please check my last message and this one. This one is directly from the BBS itself.
I checked, no double PATH's from you.
Maybe it is SBBS as a point?
'Tommi
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From Tommi Koivula@2:221/1.1 to Carlos Navarro on Sun Nov 23 21:14:57 2025
Hi Carlos.
23 Nov 25 20:10:36, you wrote to All:
I correct myself. My SBBS point does not export 2 PATH lines - only one (and empty one)
But it should not do that.
'Tommi
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From Wilfred van Velzen@2:280/464 to Carlos Navarro on Sun Nov 23 21:31:29 2025
Hi Carlos,
On 2025-11-23 20:10:36, you wrote to All:
It seems that it's FMail adding another one.
Doubt full. Never seen that happen...
Bye, Wilfred.
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From Wilfred van Velzen@2:280/464 to Carlos Navarro on Sun Nov 23 21:35:58 2025
Hi Carlos,
On 2025-11-23 20:27:44, you wrote to Nick Boel:
So it seems that SBBS with point address sends PKTs with empty PATH kludge. FMail (the tosser at my bossnode) doesn't like it and adds
another PATH line.
Is it really a kludge line? Starting with a Ctrl-A (0x01) character?
Bye, Wilfred.
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From Nick Boel@1:154/10 to Carlos Navarro on Sun Nov 23 15:09:00 2025
Hey Carlos!
On Sun, 23 Nov 2025 20:10:36 +0100, you wrote:
I correct myself. My SBBS point does not export 2 PATH lines - only
one (and empty one) Sorry.
It seems that it's FMail adding another one.
So, if the message originates from a point, and goes to a boss node, the PATH should be empty until the boss node adds it's node to it, correct?
Regards,
Nick
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From Nick Boel@1:154/10 to Carlos Navarro on Sun Nov 23 15:13:46 2025
Hey Carlos!
On Sun, 23 Nov 2025 20:27:44 +0100, you wrote:
So it seems that SBBS with point address sends PKTs with empty PATH
kludge. FMail (the tosser at my bossnode) doesn't like it and adds
another PATH line.
As a point, should it send no PATH kludge at all then?
Regards,
Nick
... Sarcasm: because beating people up is illegal.
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From Carlos Navarro@2:341/234 to Wilfred van Velzen on Sun Nov 23 22:17:02 2025
23 Nov 2025 21:35, you wrote to me:
So it seems that SBBS with point address sends PKTs with empty
PATH kludge. FMail (the tosser at my bossnode) doesn't like it
and adds another PATH line.
Is it really a kludge line? Starting with a Ctrl-A (0x01) character?
Yes. This is how my node receives the PKTs from the SBBS point (I'm changing 0x01 to ^a, etc):
And this is how my node's FMail exports that to my links (including you):
I found it, and I can confirm your findings. I can also see it's still present in .pkt files that left my system to my other links. But it isn't present in my messagebase!?
Odd, it switches the order of the original Path line and the seen-by!?
Can you send me the original .pkt file from your SBBS point? So I can try to reproduce it?
BTW: I don't know if there is something to improve, it might just be a matter of GIGO. ;-)
BTW2: .pkt files that leave my point system don't have a path line at all.
Bye, Wilfred.
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From Nick Boel@1:154/10 to Wilfred van Velzen on Mon Nov 24 07:23:40 2025
Hey Wilfred!
On Mon, 24 Nov 2025 12:08:24 +0100, you wrote:
I found it, and I can confirm your findings. I can also see it's still present in .pkt files that left my system to my other links. But it
isn't present in my messagebase!?
Difference between stored and forwarded, maybe?
BTW: I don't know if there is something to improve, it might just be a matter of GIGO. ;-)
BTW2: .pkt files that leave my point system don't have a path line at
all.
That is what I was wondering..
1) Should a system setup as a point be sending an empty PATH kludge?
2) Should a system setup as a boss node be appending it's address to an existing PATH kludge (even if it is empty), rather than creating a new one?
Regards,
Nick
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From Wilfred van Velzen@2:280/464 to Nick Boel on Mon Nov 24 14:39:54 2025
Hi Nick,
On 2025-11-24 07:23:40, you wrote to me:
I found it, and I can confirm your findings. I can also see it's still
present in .pkt files that left my system to my other links. But it
isn't present in my messagebase!?
Difference between stored and forwarded, maybe?
Of course, but I was just wondering why that happens.
BTW: I don't know if there is something to improve, it might just be a
matter of GIGO. ;-)
BTW2: .pkt files that leave my point system don't have a path line at
all.
That is what I was wondering..
1) Should a system setup as a point be sending an empty PATH kludge?
No, an empty path doesnt' add anything compared to no path at all, it just takes up space.
2) Should a system setup as a boss node be appending it's address to
an existing PATH kludge (even if it is empty),
Or delete the empty one and create a new one. But the end result would be the same. ;-)
rather than creating a new one?
Leaving the empty one in and create a new one, is the worse thing to do I suppose.
Bye, Wilfred.
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From Nick Boel@1:154/10 to Wilfred van Velzen on Mon Nov 24 08:06:40 2025
Hey Wilfred!
On Mon, 24 Nov 2025 14:39:54 +0100, you wrote:
Difference between stored and forwarded, maybe?
Of course, but I was just wondering why that happens.
Since this is only Synchronet (point) -> FMail (boss), it might be nice to see how other tossers setup as a boss handle the situation before creating a ticket anywhere.
BTW: I don't know if there is something to improve, it might just be
a matter of GIGO. ;-)
The beauty of kludge lines. ;)
1) Should a system setup as a point be sending an empty PATH
kludge?
No, an empty path doesnt' add anything compared to no path at all, it
just takes up space.
Although, one could argue the originating system creates the PATH kludge, and all others after would append it. At one time I think there was an issue where the originating system (as a point) would put it's 3D address in the PATH, which would screw with the boss node being seen as a dupe or an already processed message.
2) Should a system setup as a boss node be appending it's address
to an existing PATH kludge (even if it is empty),
Or delete the empty one and create a new one. But the end result would
be the same. ;-)
Sure, but should that be done with the boss node?
rather than creating a new one?
Leaving the empty one in and create a new one, is the worse thing to do
I suppose.
If there wasn't one to begin with, this wouldn't be an issue. I just don't know if there is /supposed/ to be an empty one created by the point (originating system), or not (per standards or whatever). If not, it should be a Synchronet/sbbsecho issue, not something FMail needs to work around. Especially if the issue has never been seen before this.
Regards,
Nick
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From Tommi Koivula@2:221/6.66 to Carlos Navarro on Mon Nov 24 16:50:28 2025
From Mike Powell@1:2320/107 to Carlos Navarro on Mon Nov 24 08:32:22 2025
Re: test
By: Carlos Navarro to All on Sun Nov 23 2025 17:17:05
Playing with SBBS...
Received in Kentucky, USA!
Mike
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From Mike Powell@1:2320/107 to Carlos Navarro on Mon Nov 24 08:34:35 2025
Re: test
By: Carlos Navarro to Sean Rima on Sun Nov 23 2025 18:19:49
@PATH:
^^^^^^
This is what I wanted to check. Messages exported from my SBBS point have tw
Sounds like a bug that maybe should be reported to Digital Man.
Tommi's robot did not display it, so I guess some tosser removed it.
Some tossers are good at cleaning stuff up. ;)
Mike
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From Wilfred van Velzen@2:280/464 to Nick Boel on Mon Nov 24 18:15:54 2025
Hi Nick,
On 2025-11-24 08:06:40, you wrote to me:
Difference between stored and forwarded, maybe?
Of course, but I was just wondering why that happens.
Since this is only Synchronet (point) -> FMail (boss), it might be nice to see
how other tossers setup as a boss handle the situation before creating a ticket anywhere.
And nothing seems to be breaking anyway. It's just a bit annoying to see the empty path line. ;-)
BTW: I don't know if there is something to improve, it might just be
a matter of GIGO. ;-)
The beauty of kludge lines. ;)
1) Should a system setup as a point be sending an empty PATH
kludge?
No, an empty path doesnt' add anything compared to no path at all, it
just takes up space.
Although, one could argue the originating system creates the PATH kludge, and
all others after would append it. At one time I think there was an issue where
the originating system (as a point) would put it's 3D address in the PATH, which would screw with the boss node being seen as a dupe or an already processed message.
Well, a 3D address in a path line is not according to the standard and as such a real bug...
2) Should a system setup as a boss node be appending it's address
to an existing PATH kludge (even if it is empty),
Or delete the empty one and create a new one. But the end result would
be the same. ;-)
Sure, but should that be done with the boss node?
Where else? (Given the point system creates the empty path line, which it shouldn't)
rather than creating a new one?
Leaving the empty one in and create a new one, is the worse thing to do
I suppose.
If there wasn't one to begin with, this wouldn't be an issue. I just don't know if there is /supposed/ to be an empty one created by the point (originating system), or not (per standards or whatever).
Of course not.
If not, it should be a Synchronet/sbbsecho issue, not something FMail needs to work around. Especially if the issue has never been seen
before this.
No software should create an empty path line. But it doesn't seem to break anything if it does, so I'm not going to change FMail to handle this exception more gracefully...
Bye, Wilfred.
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From Nick Boel@1:154/10 to Wilfred van Velzen on Mon Nov 24 13:07:34 2025
Hey Wilfred!
On Mon, 24 Nov 2025 18:15:54 +0100, you wrote:
Well, a 3D address in a path line is not according to the standard and
as such a real bug...
Typo. 2 is right next to 3. ;)
Regards,
Nick
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From Carlos Navarro@2:341/234.1 to Wilfred van Velzen on Mon Nov 24 20:54:58 2025
24 Nov 2025 12:08, you wrote to me:
I found it, and I can confirm your findings. I can also see it's still present in .pkt files that left my system to my other links. But it
isn't present in my messagebase!?
I can see the empty PATH kludge with GoldED, but just before the message text, instead of after the SEENBY lines.
From Wilfred van Velzen@2:280/464 to Carlos Navarro on Mon Nov 24 21:24:03 2025
Hi Carlos,
On 2025-11-24 20:54:58, you wrote to me:
I found it, and I can confirm your findings. I can also see it's
still present in .pkt files that left my system to my other links.
But it isn't present in my messagebase!?
I can see the empty PATH kludge with GoldED, but just before the message text,
instead of after the SEENBY lines.
So on top of the message where all the regular kludge lines are?
Odd, it switches the order of the original Path line and the seen-by!?
Yes, it's weird.
After reading the "PATH" section in fsc-0074.001, the proposed successor of fts-0004.001, which has much better definitions of everything, I got a theory about this.
fsc-0074.001 states:
- Shall begin with the seven character literal:
^APATH:<space>
The empty PATH line in your messages doesn't have the space before the new line, so FMail probably doesn't regard this as a PATH line, but as a regular line. And puts it at the end of the message text, before the newly generated seen-by's and path lines.
Can you send me the original .pkt file from your SBBS point? So I can
try to reproduce it?
Ok, check your inbound.
Got it, thanks.
BTW2: .pkt files that leave my point system don't have a path line at
all.
Mine neither...
Except for your Synchronet point system...
Bye, Wilfred.
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From Carlos Navarro@2:341/234.1 to Wilfred van Velzen on Tue Nov 25 21:34:02 2025
24 Nov 2025 21:24, you wrote to me:
I can see the empty PATH kludge with GoldED, but just before the
message text, instead of after the SEENBY lines.
So on top of the message where all the regular kludge lines are?
From Carlos Navarro@2:341/234.1 to Nick Boel on Tue Nov 25 21:42:35 2025
23 Nov 2025 15:13, you wrote to me:
So it seems that SBBS with point address sends PKTs with empty PATH
kludge. FMail (the tosser at my bossnode) doesn't like it and adds
another PATH line.
As a point, should it send no PATH kludge at all then?
Not sure what is correct. Some tossers and point packages do, while others don't.
I've checked .PKT's from several points I'm using or have tested.
These don't insert a PATH kludge:
- Winpoint
- OpenXP
- Crashmail II
- FMail (default, but can be enabled)
These insert a PATH kludge (including the bossnode's 2D address):
- HotdogEd
- Aftershock
- D'Bridge
From Nick Boel@1:154/10 to Carlos Navarro on Tue Nov 25 17:50:20 2025
Hey Carlos!
On Tue, 25 Nov 2025 21:42:34 +0100, you wrote:
As a point, should it send no PATH kludge at all then?
Not sure what is correct. Some tossers and point packages do, while
others don't.
I would imagine an empty PATH kludge would be better than inserting the bossnode's 2D address *before* it gets to the bossnode!
Someone did notice that the correct way to write the PATH (without addresses) is "^APATH:<space>" and Synchronet seems to be writing "^APATH:", so maybe that is the only issue?
I've checked .PKT's from several points I'm using or have tested.
Well done on the testing! You're absolutely killing it lately. ;)
These don't insert a PATH kludge:
- Winpoint
- OpenXP
- Crashmail II
- FMail (default, but can be enabled)
These insert a PATH kludge (including the bossnode's 2D address):
- HotdogEd
- Aftershock
- D'Bridge
Do messages coming from these display at the boss node if it's address is already in the PATH? Or do they get forwarded on without being stored in the message base?
Regards,
Nick
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From Wilfred van Velzen@2:280/464 to Carlos Navarro on Wed Nov 26 08:55:37 2025
Hi Carlos,
On 2025-11-25 21:34:02, you wrote to me:
I can see the empty PATH kludge with GoldED, but just before the
message text, instead of after the SEENBY lines.
So on top of the message where all the regular kludge lines are?
It kind of makes sense, because the "^APATH:" line without the <space> after the ':' is just a kludge line. So I can see the logic in placing it on top with the other kludge lines.
Bye, Wilfred.
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From Nick Boel@1:154/10 to Carlos Navarro on Fri Nov 28 08:44:46 2025
Hey Carlos!
On Tue, 25 Nov 2025 21:42:34 +0100, you wrote:
Not sure what is correct. Some tossers and point packages do, while
others don't.
Is there a way you could edit the raw message that Synchronet creates, and add a space to the PATH kludge before it gets sent off to FMail?
This way, if FMail appends to that line, rather than creating a new one and leaving the original alone, we know this should be the fix, and can report it to Rob.
Regards,
Nick
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From Wilfred van Velzen@2:280/464 to Nick Boel on Fri Nov 28 16:38:01 2025
Hi Nick,
On 2025-11-28 08:44:46, you wrote to Carlos Navarro:
This way, if FMail appends to that line, rather than creating a new
one and leaving the original alone, we know this should be the fix,
and can report it to Rob.
The simplest fix is to not create empty PATH lines at all (with or without space)! ;-)
Bye, Wilfred.
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From Nick Boel@1:154/10 to Wilfred van Velzen on Fri Nov 28 10:15:04 2025
Hey Wilfred!
On Fri, 28 Nov 2025 16:38:00 +0100, you wrote:
The simplest fix is to not create empty PATH lines at all (with or
without space)! ;-)
Is /not/ creating a PATH kludge covered anywhere in the holy grail of documented standards and/or proposals?
So far, all that has been pointed out is a document that shows the proper format of the PATH kludge.
Regards,
Nick
... Sarcasm: because beating people up is illegal.
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From Wilfred van Velzen@2:280/464 to Nick Boel on Fri Nov 28 17:42:37 2025
Hi Nick,
On 2025-11-28 10:15:04, you wrote to me:
The simplest fix is to not create empty PATH lines at all (with or
without space)! ;-)
Is /not/ creating a PATH kludge covered anywhere in the holy grail of documented standards and/or proposals?
So far, all that has been pointed out is a document that shows the proper format of the PATH kludge.
fts-0004.001 says it's not required.
fsc-0074.001 says:
- Shall contain a list of net/node numbers.
- Shall identify at least one net/node number. "Blank"
path lines shall not be transmitted.
So that is pretty clear to me! ;-)
Bye, Wilfred.
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From Stephen Hurd@1:103/1 to Nick Boel on Fri Nov 28 22:38:00 2025
Re: test
By: Nick Boel to Wilfred van Velzen on Fri Nov 28 2025 10:15 am
Is /not/ creating a PATH kludge covered anywhere in the holy grail of documented standards and/or proposals?
There's FSC-0067 which proposes a 5D (in a neat new format) SPTH ("Sticky PaTH") and strips the PATH lines.
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From Ivan Zelenyi@2:50/86.1 to All on Sat Aug 8 18:24:58 2026
test
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With best regards,
Ivan Zelenyi
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08 Aug 26 18:24:58 Ivan Zelenyi (2:50/86.1) wrote:
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test
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From Robert Wolfe@1:261/20 to All on Sun Jul 26 20:43:08 2026
testing new aup update pf pxw
... Women who wear mini-skirts sure are cheeky folk.
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testing
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From Robert Wolfe@1:261/20.2 to Ivan Zelenyi on Mon Aug 10 14:34:10 2026
reply.
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test
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Ivan Zelenyi
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From robert wolfe@1:261/20.716 to All on Thu Aug 13 14:57:50 2026
Testing
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From Robert Wolfe@1:261/20 to All on Wed Aug 19 09:44:36 2026
testing. new build came down the pipeline this morning.
... Platinum Xpress & Wildcat!..... Nice!!!!
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From RBB Test Robot@2:221/1 to Robert Wolfe on Fri Aug 21 22:17:28 2026
26 Jul 26 20:43:08 Robert Wolfe (1:261/20) wrote:
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testing new aup update pf pxw
... Women who wear mini-skirts sure are cheeky folk.
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SEEN+BY: 1/19 100 16/0 19/36 37 134/101 142/104 799 201/0 203/0 221/0 1 6 250 SEEN+BY: 229/426 240/1120 5832 261/20 280/464 5003 5555 292/854 301/1 320/119 SEEN+BY: 320/219 319 2119 322/762 325/304 342/19 423/81
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From Mirror Robot@1:229/0 to Robert Wolfe on Fri Aug 21 15:35:02 2026
On 19 Aug 26 09:44:36 Robert Wolfe (1:261/20) wrote:
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testing. new build came down the pipeline this morning.
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From RBB Test Robot@2:221/360 to Martin Kazmaier on Fri Jul 24 20:36:30 2026
23 Nov 24 02:01:00 Martin Kazmaier (1:340/1101) wrote:
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22 Nov 24 20:33:00 Martin Kazmaier (1:340/1101) wrote:
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I'm not seeing responses to my test messsges, but I am receiving netmail.
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From Robert Wolfe@1:261/20 to All on Sat Aug 22 08:05:10 2026
testing
... Women prefer the simple things in life...MEN!
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22 Aug 26 08:05:10 Robert Wolfe (1:261/20) wrote:
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testing
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From Mirror Robot@1:229/0 to Robert Wolfe on Sat Aug 22 08:00:08 2026
On 22 Aug 26 07:31:36 Robert Wolfe (1:261/20) wrote:
