• Start menu

    From Robert Baer@robertbaer@localnet.com to alt.computer on Sun Dec 13 19:06:59 2020
    Once upon a time, a long time ago, one could see a start menu; if i remember right, it looked like a subdirectory and listed the programs
    that would start up at boot.

    Have not seen that since Win7.

    I need to see WTH got started behind my back, and maybe how to prevent
    that happy horsemanure.
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  • From Paul@nospam@needed.invalid to alt.computer on Mon Dec 14 04:19:18 2020
    Robert Baer wrote:
    Once upon a time, a long time ago, one could see a start menu; if i remember right, it looked like a subdirectory and listed the programs
    that would start up at boot.

    Have not seen that since Win7.

    I need to see WTH got started behind my back, and maybe how to prevent
    that happy horsemanure.

    Always state explicitly which OS you're running,
    where you are observing a problemo.

    The Win10 MSConfig isn't all that useful.

    https://i.postimg.cc/Kv45Lw3j/msconfig.gif

    The Sysinternals.com Autoruns shows Shell Extension launch, for a
    number of items at the very bottom of its list. That's what some
    of the extra ones are, but the items at the top of the list might
    be slightly different than the msconfig-inspired list.

    https://i.postimg.cc/QMSBfNR3/autoruns.gif

    There can be Startup registry items, and two Startup folders.
    As a guess at where the stuff hides. Also, Scheduled Tasks
    launches stuff.

    Paul
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  • From Robert Baer@robertbaer@localnet.com to alt.computer on Mon Dec 14 20:01:05 2020
    Paul wrote:
    Robert Baer wrote:
       Once upon a time, a long time ago, one could see a start menu; if i
    remember right, it looked like a subdirectory and listed the programs
    that would start up at boot.

      Have not seen that since Win7.

    I need to see WTH  got started behind my back, and maybe how to
    prevent that happy horsemanure.

    Always state explicitly which OS you're running,
    where you are observing a problemo.
    * It that damn macro scheduler always there.
    Since it now does not work, and the forum is worse, i guess i will uninstall it (if possible) and try to forget this one, and hope someone
    comes out with something at least half-way useful.


    The Win10 MSConfig isn't all that useful.

       https://i.postimg.cc/Kv45Lw3j/msconfig.gif

    The Sysinternals.com Autoruns shows Shell Extension launch, for a
    number of items at the very bottom of its list. That's what some
    of the extra ones are, but the items at the top of the list might
    be slightly different than the msconfig-inspired list.

       https://i.postimg.cc/QMSBfNR3/autoruns.gif

    There can be Startup registry items, and two Startup folders.
    As a guess at where the stuff hides. Also, Scheduled Tasks
    launches stuff.

      Paul

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  • From Paul@nospam@needed.invalid to alt.computer on Tue Dec 15 01:36:11 2020
    Robert Baer wrote:
    Paul wrote:
    Robert Baer wrote:
    Once upon a time, a long time ago, one could see a start menu; if
    i remember right, it looked like a subdirectory and listed the
    programs that would start up at boot.

    Have not seen that since Win7.

    I need to see WTH got started behind my back, and maybe how to
    prevent that happy horsemanure.

    Always state explicitly which OS you're running,
    where you are observing a problemo.
    * It that damn macro scheduler always there.
    Since it now does not work, and the forum is worse, i guess i will uninstall it (if possible) and try to forget this one, and hope someone comes out with something at least half-way useful.


    The Win10 MSConfig isn't all that useful.

    https://i.postimg.cc/Kv45Lw3j/msconfig.gif

    The Sysinternals.com Autoruns shows Shell Extension launch, for a
    number of items at the very bottom of its list. That's what some
    of the extra ones are, but the items at the top of the list might
    be slightly different than the msconfig-inspired list.

    https://i.postimg.cc/QMSBfNR3/autoruns.gif

    There can be Startup registry items, and two Startup folders.
    As a guess at where the stuff hides. Also, Scheduled Tasks
    launches stuff.

    Paul


    For runtime observation, use Process Monitor.

    If the OS you're using is too old, it probably won't load.

    See what I mean about telling me the OS ?

    If this is a WinXP or Win2K setup you're running the
    macro recorder/macro language, then the current
    Process Monitor likely won't run there. You would
    have to go to archive.org and find an older one.

    You will see executables being "ReadFile" or "CreateFile" as
    they are launched, as evidence of what is going on.

    # Event-level tracing [what are they doing to my file system]

    https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/downloads/procmon

    # Task Manager "what is running now" [Use Run As Administrator to get max info]

    https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/downloads/process-explorer # Task Manager "what is running

    Autoruns is for static tracing of "how did these start themselves
    on my system after I just booted". If the macro-recorder process
    is started on each boot, then the macro-recorder could do
    just about anything it wants.

    Paul
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